About the price discount if upgrading to v4

KazamaSion

Network license
License owner
I purchased the license about four years ago, I paid about $98 at that time, but it's only $48 now.
I mean, feel a bit uncomfortable. If v4 release, will those who paid more for v3 get more discount?
 

Rodolfo

The Chevere Guru
Chevereto Staff
V4 will be Open Source, it doesn't have the concept of paid licensing. V3=paid distributes all the software in the same package, V4=free distributes paid/free software add-ons and services.

The idea is that each one of you only have to pay for what you need to use and to say thanks to all those who have sustained the development of Chevereto.

My intention is to charge a very low fee for the concept of upgrading. Low as $0 and you pay more depending on what extra features you need to carry to V4. Each extra paid feature you may need to keep will add to the base fee, and the total for your upgrade will vary depending on discounts to be applied depending on your client status (+existing clients, +license type, +years being customer).
 

raysosher

Photo editing specialist
This is not fair at all. The same thing happened with me too. I mean if you are willing to reduce the price then those you paid higher prices give them some discount. The price is almost half now. People now are getting the licence for half the price, here we old users bought it with a lot of money.
 

ashkir

Core license
License owner
Compare this to other PHP based software that is paid for. You have to pay to upgrade. My IPB license cost me over $100 to upgrade to the new version.

Most PHP Software you even have to pay an additional $50 fee just to have access to the support forum.

Also, sales happen to most PHP software. 20% off? Buy a second license, or a network upgrade.
 

Rodolfo

The Chevere Guru
Chevereto Staff
My IPB license cost me over $100 to upgrade to the new version.
There's an interesting research in a paper published at ScienceDirect, the study has a remarkable observation on that PHP applications analyzed didn't suffer of aging as conventional software under terms of Lehman's. In other words, PHP software doesn't age badly.

Why time based licensing then? Simply, maintenance. But maintenance of the whole, including the applicable server layer.

I've experienced this at first hand, it started to happened here some years ago when the issues weren't that much library related but server. The planning for the next major version (V4) quickly evolved from simply adding an user based API to V3, to rewrite everything and provide a system resilient to external factors, like server configuration.

Most PHP Software you even have to pay an additional $50 fee just to have access to the support forum.
In my ideal world, a service provider should be certified by me so support costs gets cheap as possible under a distributed model. In essence, anyone with knowledge around the software should be capable (and encouraged) to provide paid support and services for it.

At least, that's my intention and for the adoption rate of the software I believe that I'm a good track towards that position.
 

scmaybee

Network license
License owner
I still don’t know what the difference is between free and licensed. till 2020.6.7, I will buy a network license.

As a user, I don’t know how long the new version will come. It is a good idea to provide discounts for old customers. This allows potential users not to decide keep waiting or pay immediately.

I have bought a product (as my Avatar shows), after I paid one month, it upgrade to a new major version, this experience is quite bad, I wish it won't happen on Chevereto😁.

I hope Chevereto will be much better. and I need more rich customization on the webside. I just use it be a Image Hosting for my markdown documents. and need a CLI tool to integer with Typora so auto upload will be possible.
 

Rodolfo

The Chevere Guru
Chevereto Staff
I still don’t know what the difference is between free and licensed. till 2020.6.7, I will buy a network license.
There's the chance that you don't need the paid edition at all. Free edition doesn't exists as a try-first then buy the whole thing, it exists as a different product in a different market. If you feel that the free edition is enough for you it is because maybe it is enough for you?

As a user, I don’t know how long the new version will come (...) This allows potential users not to decide keep waiting or pay immediately.
Need an image hosting website now? Download/buy now. The product isn't for you? Try something else. Want to play with V4 in the future? Come back once it gets released. Want to help or contribute? Be my guest!

You see, my business is not in new installations but long lasting installations, using the software for years. However, V3 foundation is complicated and that's why is being replaced with V4.

If you want to start using V3 then migrate to V4 it is obvious that you will get more value from your money because you will enjoy more service time, including all the time your website needs to rank, position and get used by your users. That's the real value of your website, not the software running it. Sooner you do that process, the sooner it will profit back to you.

For commercial purposes the continuation of the project follows a +1 incremental on major versions, but V4 is way more. For 30% of my existing market V4 won't be even feasible to upgrade or even install it, and I will need several years to complete V4 adoption for the existing user base. That's why V3 has LTS until November 2022, and after that date it will became Open Source to keep V3 alive long as feasible, I won''t kill it.

Those using V3 right now are already covered by the LTS, which is the best thing that a software provider can do for their users. The value provided is way beyond the price you pay for, easy as that 🤷🏾
 

scmaybee

Network license
License owner
I‘m not for commercial use, just want more customize features on easy to use, and there just one big problem: whether it could be used on a subdomain, the domain (a.com) doesn't belongs to me, it provide a subdomain (sub.a.com) for DDNS.
 

ashkir

Core license
License owner
I will happily pay the upgrade fee.

  1. It supports development.
  2. Fees give us support and bug fixes.
  3. Once everything is caught up, I hope fees can lead to development of user wanted plugins/features.
  4. Rodolfo is a nice guy. He even donated to my heart transplant gofundme.
 

kuaza

Core license
License owner
Getting this service at this price and getting serious support. Oh my god, we pay even a little. I just bought v3 license. I'm waiting impatiently for V4. I hope APi will meet my expectations.
 

kensplace

Network license
License owner
Have you released or can you release any details on what is likely to be required to run v4 as a basic setup.. For example v3 works fine, not that fast, but works fine on a cheap dedicated server with low cpu specs, low ram etc.. Will v4 be similar, or will it require higher end spec..
Will it require a certain unix version, php version etc, basically what would the min requirements be for a v4 and also is there a upgrade or it it a fresh install totally and then port over the picture data and pics.
cheers.
ken
 

Rodolfo

The Chevere Guru
Chevereto Staff
@kensplace

At this time, the only thing clear are the dependencies on the framework: https://chevere.org/get-started/installation.html#system-requirements but on top of it there will be other requirements, like Swoole.

From V3 to V4 there won't be a direct upgrade procedure, it will work with a one-time importer. V4 won't run the same application model, and regarding CPU specs, I believe that hardware requirements won't be anything unusual, I'm targeting this to make it run in any $5 VPS, from there it will depend on your project size how big will be the machines or servers needed.

The intention is to provide all this as a Docker package, but being honest, I haven't investigated other alternatives at the time.
 

CMedia_de

Founder license
Beta tester
I understood you really good @Rodolfo -- and I think the idea is great. If V4 is open, it will have a future and the addons can cost money or even not. If the developer want money for his work, he should get. I reall don't understand this discussion. It is great software, making a lots of image databases available on the net and there are a lot of ways to get the money back.
 
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